this some juicy new ksf drama? noice
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this some juicy new ksf drama? noice
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So I got help from a friend in yesterday who didn't have much time sadly. It did ofc. turn out what I said was true.
It was written that I had sent a death threat and it was taken for granted.
https://imgur.com/a/7yEcBiu
Why did you have to deny it? Why didn't you bother to search it up yourself? Yeah, it was my job in some way, but I was banned by you.
In the hindsight it seems ridicilous for people that I hadn't screenshotted this.
Well, the reason I didn't screenshot it was ofc. that I was banned (works as IP ban too), but neither did I expect that people would actually deny this.
But well, it's KSF, just learn to expect the worst.
Why didn't anyone testify it? Does KSF find it funny that a person they dislike is exhibited as a violent criminal?
I can see there are KSF members here, e.g. Mako, and a lot of KSF members follow the conversations on KSF Discord. I know it was said in another conversation too by a KSF member, but the message was deleted by the user.
Prob. in private conversations as well (but obviously I can't know). No one testifies anything? How come? Everyone hates me ofc.! No, but many people from KSF clan and their friends hate me, yeah.
I mean surely KSF is a non-toxic community where people can talk openly about problems without any group pressure or social exclusion if they speak against "consensus"?
It isn't like whenever someone challenges their views, they are trying to exlcude that person from a community?
Simex lied about his involvement (as seen on page 12, also added to my first post), he lied about what happened when he told people about the event (didn't present the full picture by any means), and he lied that he didn't lie. He didn't apologize, but I did, great guy.
I can also reveal now that Stevo's apologies leave a remarkable impression on his victims.
https://imgur.com/a/jjaPuOt (Weiss)
Stevo told me, he apologized to you
for admin abuse
Is it true?
[onsdag 17.45]
weiss:
it was like 4 years ago
I remember I made a thread about it, and everyone just laughed it off
don't remember an apology
[onsdag 17.45]
N.Meistro:
yeah
thanks man
mr.gmmbearz directly [16.44]
mr.gmmbearz:
well i cant remember him saying sorry to me
maybe he did though
So who doesn't lie in this clan?
KSF, you didn't reply to why my Calamity wrcp was deleted. I didn't utilize the "extended spawn zone" (didn't know about it until Syfo showd me), but I assume you have some technical evidence that proves I lagged it? I know I was happy for the wrcp and therefore I went on Source TV to check it and at least I couldn't see any with my eyes.
And why don't you have terms and conditions when paying for VIP? I know you have admin abused plenty of VIPS without it had any basis in terms and conditions. I don't even think it's legal - or maybe that's the trick to call it "donation" so you can slip away legally?
Are KSF scammers? I think Bocuma had VIP in 2016 when he was abused as a 14/15 year old. I brought up child abuse and I was probably right.
KSF seems to be a clan full of child abusers. Mr.gmmbearz was also below 15 when he was abused. And looking at Stevo, it is not my impression that they ever wanna apologize.
It's also funny to see how Bocuma, a guy with a very high IQ (e.g. casually learns whatever language he sets him for [maybe exxagerating] in the age of 16), went to the Momentum Project in 2016 helping them out pretty much after he was admin abused. (Btw, I don't speak on Bocuma's behalf)
You surely know how to attract brain to KSF. Not to forget Crash Fort.
Well the thing is. This community is full of liars. It holds no credibility. Records are useless without credibility. They delete records, probably also cheat records.
They seem to accept rngfix cases whenever it accommodates KSF members (e.g. omnific s16 ramp2, dynamics_fixed, etc.). Valid records from new surfers (outside KSF) get attacked. Do I have evidence for this? Yes, I do. I have heard it from gmmbearz, and I experienced it myself when I was alting (which I also wanted to reveal) and before any have had the slightest clue that I was Jabra. Can I prove my experience? Somewhat. I had to buy vip to "re-report" the false reports made by Sunday.
Here is my documentation that I had to buy VIP:
https://imgur.com/a/MfTXsJQ
With regards to calamity, fuck it. Delete my few remaining or hunt them please and replace them with new "records". I don't want so-called records on a community that does not have credibility enough to store records. I don't consider my records or any records valid in the KSF community.
I would be happy if all my data was deleted from KSF.
I heard people suggest that I support Momentum. I don't support anything. And I don't have time for surf any longer. I just strongly oppose this corrupt KSF community full of child abusers and scammers.
They don't care about the burden of proof - and if they do, they reverse the concept (page 7). They don't care about terms and conditions.
They lie about whatever they want which seems evident from this conversation. They deny whatever they want. I have also been told confidential information that it is probable that a very top surfer
from KSF clan is currently involved in movement recording (but not verifieable). And do you know what? I don't care about it because I anyway consider all records on KSF invalid.
To conclude: KSF are liars, scamers and useless. But have fun if you still feel convinced that this community is somewhat credible. After all, you can still use it for completing maps (but not to prove that you have completed a map) and testing routes.
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Thanks for providing the screenshot, that does indeed imply that you sent a death threat. However I don't think that it was taken for granted or even that it was taken seriously by anyone. I could very well imagine you saying something like that in a heated argument without meaning it knowing your temperament + autism so I don't think you have to be worried about being perceived as a violent criminal. Dunno if others share this perspective with me, this doesn't make it right though.
KSF has always been clear about donations being optional help for hosting the servers, VIP being an added bonus that can be taken away for a number of reasons. You are not buying anything. What do you even mean with admin abusing VIPs?
Also bullying underage people online is not child abuse LOL, maybe look up the term and further explain this if you still think it's appropriate here
Pretty sure I saw it was written more than once too ...
Yeah, now you move into the question of context and why that is so important to understand why people react as they do. This was the whole fucking problem that my KYS words were completely deprived of context. Please, when you talk about conflicts and one of the parties is excluded then fucking cover it in its completeness - or ask all the involved parties for inputs instead of assuming shit out of thin air. That shit was disgusting. Every man on earth can be made look like an idiot if you take his words out of context and when only one side of a story is heard. And no, as I have told thousands of times, I was not just in a heated argument. Your KSF member fellow had initially said "fuck you" to me, Simex (another one of your KSF member fellows) had lied to me (I was not even debating them). People had bullied me on KSF Discord because I was "being too serious" (though some of the same people have probably around 200 days of in-game time on KSF so it's always amusing when they use the "it's just a game" phrase) and right after I was banned without a valid reason at all. This is how it started. No, I don't tell people to KYS, not even in heated debates. I don't predicate persons, only phrases (e.g. "that's idiotic what you said") though that is still not appropriate and I don't try to do that and I have worked at it (I try to follow the Christian idea that you should not even think bad about people); it also depends on how people react in the preceding obviously.
When you buy VIP (or donate to get VIP which does not make any difference), you buy VIP for a month according to your site (you even get it automatically and there is a distinct site for non-vip donations). If you are banned x time as VIP, then you are VIP in a month less the x time - and you don't get the service you are promised: VIP for 1 month. I don't think that's legal if your ban does not have a basis in terms and conditions. This is also just basic moral that when you ban people you do it based on the rules, the shit I have been talking about since I was 18 y/o. Since I only had VIP in 2 days back in July, I have reported KSF to the police, but the Danish Police won't care because it's so little money and probably can't find the owners, etc. You may laugh at this, but whoever steals my money and whether it is 5 dollars or 100 dollars, I don't accept it - at least if they haven't forgiven me. I might ask a lawyer. And no, your rules on your server are useless because they don't stand at the point where you pay for VIP.
I only came here because I wanted to deal with things from my past that I hadn't yet dealt with yet properly (also in other areas of my life). One of these issues was this one which had bothered me strongly. I didn't want to be perceived as a violent criminal (or something which is close to that). And you understood that, thanks. I don't know why Sam and probably Sony tried to cover it up and why you had to deny it and why you tried to laugh it off and we had to type so many pages about it. Seriously. It could in the worst case hurt me in the professional life since I have also been open about my IRL name, my look, even met surfers IRL, etc. So yeah. Nothing to ridicule. I only started to debate other things because it was introduced by your KSF fellows. But enough has been said.
Nobody perceives you as a violent criminal, but everyone perceives you as someone who is lacking social skills and who is obsessed with ksf.
Please for your own sake just let it go and go on with your life.
Being banned is your own fault for being a nuisance to the community. You never spread fun or joy, you only create drama out of nothing and thats why you are banned.
Please dont respond have a good rest of your life
You or any KSF member are not in a position to speak on behalf of everyone. The Discord conversations clearly tried to make me look like something between a violent criminal and a lunatic because they only told one side of a story. Maybe for those who knew me, more the latter, for those who don't - which are many - because a new generation of surfers arrived, more the first. It's cool if you think that's funny - or just something I have to brush off my shoulder by "going on with my life" because I haven't been open about IRL identity or met surfers IRL or anything, yeah, or I'm not a guy who cares about falsely being perceived as a violent criminal. I guess no one cares about that?
I don't know what kind of people try to tone down lies and defamation against people. You tell I'm obsessed with KSF. No, I am not, you are obsessed with me and lie about me, you lie about anything which is evident from this conversation. Even when I show evidence you try to tone it down "that's just ...". And stop telling me I stir drama when you lie about me. There is so much evidence on this. But you ignore everything and try to recap it all so you can act like a boss, but you are not, and you are not dictate whether I should respond or not. That's classic KSF mentality. You can respond to me, but please say something relevant instead of toning down lies and defamation, I don't expect you that you are capable of this, so maybe you should just leave the conversation here. I don't have more to say at least.
:sorrowful:
bro im trying to help you. you care so much about what some 30 people on the internet think about you but you're not making it better with this thread.
just move on? why do you give a shit lol. you have 0 power here, no speaking of lawyers and shit is ever gonna accomplish anything here.
you got no case and i honestly dont know what you want from us except maybe attention?
Why do you keep going? Not even when I fucking provide evidence you recognize anything is wrong. What the fuck this is even. I don't know who you are? Shifty? Helping me? Help yourself, lol. You say I don't have a case. Are you also a lawyer? Who the fuck do you think you are?
I don't care about having power here. Am I applying for KSF membership? What the fuck are you talking about? Please just leave this conversation. You say I have never brought joy to the community. Yet it is a conversation on every Youtube comment section once one of my sc's are implemented. I have met 6 surfers irl, 5 danes (Zymbia, Kap, Mausi, Syfo, Breez from Furious), the other one being the old leader of Nightmare in Switzerland. I have had dozen of friends, and even Syfo told me he couldn't have done it without me. And can we just fucking stop it here and stop your lies? 30 people? There are over 1k people active on KSF, and only through something like less than 10 Facebook friendslists, every man on earth is kinda connected. Why you try to keep toning it down. Attention? That's one thing among others. Surely I wanted this thread to gain attention because it was taken for granted that I had done horrible things which were completely deprived of context. I got to tell my story, thanks (you can thank Sam and Sony for that it happened here instead of lowkey on Discord). Just like you want attention to communicate whatever you trying to say now, just without any relevance and by lying because you are an idiot. Bye, hopefully.
Edit: If anything, lack of power is an argument for my case because being subject to defamation without any power just makes it 100 times worse. Just shows KSF members' devilish mentality. It's like arguing that only rich people should have a fair trial because they have power. I don't understand KSF's culture really. They are absolute cowards.
lol at you thinking anyone cares about you. with 30 people i meant those on ksf that can even remember who you are.
you misunderstand me, i just want to find out what you want from ksf, so that we can resolve this and you stop harassing us
Just stop it, please, search on "Jabra" on KSF Discord. These search results do not even account for my records etc. from the Discord bots because I used alternative names. You try brush off defamation with "nobody cares about that person anyway". It's disgusting.
Harassing you? I don't know how many times you guys have harassed, even with countless lies etc. Just in this debate. It's getting ridiculous. You even harassed me when you entered this conversation saying stuff as I had never brought joy to the community, yet I'm prob. one of the guys who have met most surfers irl. No, I haven't misunderstood you. I'm tired of lies about me, but you can lowkey lie about me if you want, but don't fuck paint me as a perpetrator - that's just fucking crossing the line - and that's why I'm here to let you know that is crossing the line and to tell what happened so people don't get that impression (I don't care about what the sheeps from KSF say, but I don't want to leave that impression on people, e.g., who can think for themself; that hurts me tbh.)
pretty sure everyone here that can think for themselves has figured out that talking to you is just a waste of time.
Took you a long time to write. Go to Pornhub if you need stimulation in your life. I'm done here and I did find Juxtapo's "full stop mark" appropriate because at that point I had shown my evidence and there was no point of further discussion other than you apologizing but I don't expect that. Bye.
thank you
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Originally Posted by Michael.Viera
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Originally Posted by Michael.Viera
Wild, don't you know what happened back then smashed an IRL friendship? Now you know. What happened back then was severe, but I was fine to part with the surf community and it was my intention too before uni, but then my movie was shared on KSF Discord (I didn't, just sent it to Mausi and Kap and Gmmbearz who sent me demos) and I came back to defend my right to call some of these routes mine that were under attack (some of them because of actual mistakes). It happened in the midst of the spin debate, and I was asked by a nice guy about my opinion about it. I asked about whether what I called "wiggle wiggle", zigzag strafing should be illegal too which is exactly what redc did on elyisum; Simex joined and I was told to get the fuck out etc. (because of the incident back in the spring) and then someone in that conversation brought up the death threat which shocked me. I was banned at Simex's request which was okay because I only came to defend the movie and that discussion had just ended, but the death threat thing struck me. I kinda tried to push it behind me but it felt horrible how I was falsely portrayed as a perpetrator, it was straight-out defamation. I have once before complained about defamation when someone called me racist, but I think I exaggerated because I had written something that could be misinterpreted - and who isn't called racist these days? It was also fine as I had a chance to comment on it so it could be resolved immediately, but at this point, I was forbidden to comment on it. It was, yeah, disgusting. That screenshot I used as evidence was not even from that conversation, so I know the "death threat" has been spread widely, maybe it has even been commonly accepted which is disgusting.Quote:
I have met 6 surfers irl, 5 danes (Zymbia, Kap, Mausi, Syfo, Breez from Furious)
Edit: I hope that was a lesson. It's sick to portray someone falsely as a perpetrator, but then to deny that person his/her possibility to reject it is completely insane. Some people were very busy talking about evidence which I didn't expect but you have to learn to expect the worst when dealing with KSF that they are willing to deny anything and lie about anything. My point of this thread was not to provide evidence; I said legal means would become actual at that point this thread was deleted (which it hasn't been as you can see) because first at that point I would have been denied every possibility to comment on the false allegations that portray me as a perpetrator. If that happens, I'm going to collect all the evidence I can and use all legal means possible. I have already plenty.
Bye? I hope you can leave me alone now.
bump so this shitshow doesn't die
By the way, so this was the guy, but first some admin, that tried to cover up for the death threats rumors about me.
Just like Weiss said
it was like 4 years ago
I remember I made a thread about it, and everyone just laughed it off
don't remember an apology
This seems to be their strategy whenever they can't deal with abuse or defend themself - to laugh it off or be sarcastic. Their culture still hasn't changed after 3-4 years and they gladly facilitate death threat rumors is the conclusion
lmao it worked
Can you please stop accusing me of things I have not done. I have not once deleted anyone's messages that have pertained to this situation or have tried to cover it up whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael.Viera
I want a retraction of this statement and an apology from you.
Thank you.
fixed.
btw?
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Originally Posted by Sam
yep. bye
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This seems to be their strategy whenever they can't deal with abuse or defend themself - to laugh it off or be sarcastic.
bye <3
<3
According to all known laws
of aviation,
there is no way a bee
should be able to fly.
Its wings are too small to get
its fat little body off the ground.
The bee, of course, flies anyway
because bees don't care
what humans think is impossible.
Yellow, black. Yellow, black.
Yellow, black. Yellow, black.
Ooh, black and yellow!
Let's shake it up a little.
Barry! Breakfast is ready!
Ooming!
Hang on a second.
Hello?
- Barry?
- Adam?
- Oan you believe this is happening?
- I can't. I'll pick you up.
Looking sharp.
Use the stairs. Your father
paid good money for those.
Sorry. I'm excited.
Here's the graduate.
We're very proud of you, son.
A perfect report card, all B's.
Very proud.
Ma! I got a thing going here.
- You got lint on your fuzz.
- Ow! That's me!
- Wave to us! We'll be in row 118,000.
- Bye!
Barry, I told you,
stop flying in the house!
- Hey, Adam.
- Hey, Barry.
- Is that fuzz gel?
- A little. Special day, graduation.
Never thought I'd make it.
Three days grade school,
three days high school.
Those were awkward.
Three days college. I'm glad I took
a day and hitchhiked around the hive.
You did come back different.
- Hi, Barry.
- Artie, growing a mustache? Looks good.
- Hear about Frankie?
- Yeah.
- You going to the funeral?
- No, I'm not going.
Everybody knows,
sting someone, you die.
Don't waste it on a squirrel.
Such a hothead.
I guess he could have
just gotten out of the way.
I love this incorporating
an amusement park into our day.
That's why we don't need vacations.
Boy, quite a bit of pomp...
under the circumstances.
- Well, Adam, today we are men.
- We are!
- Bee-men.
- Amen!
Hallelujah!
Students, faculty, distinguished bees,
please welcome Dean Buzzwell.
Welcome, New Hive Oity
graduating class of...
...9:15.
That concludes our ceremonies.
And begins your career
at Honex Industries!
Will we pick ourjob today?
I heard it's just orientation.
Heads up! Here we go.
Keep your hands and antennas
inside the tram at all times.
- Wonder what it'll be like?
- A little scary.
Welcome to Honex,
a division of Honesco
and a part of the Hexagon Group.
This is it!
Wow.
Wow.
We know that you, as a bee,
have worked your whole life
to get to the point where you
can work for your whole life.
Honey begins when our valiant Pollen
Jocks bring the nectar to the hive.
Our top-secret formula
is automatically color-corrected,
scent-adjusted and bubble-contoured
into this soothing sweet syrup
with its distinctive
golden glow you know as...
Honey!
- That girl was hot.
- She's my cousin!
- She is?
- Yes, we're all cousins.
- Right. You're right.
- At Honex, we constantly strive
to improve every aspect
of bee existence.
These bees are stress-testing
a new helmet technology.
- What do you think he makes?
- Not enough.
Here we have our latest advancement,
the Krelman.
- What does that do?
- Oatches that little strand of honey
that hangs after you pour it.
Saves us millions.
Oan anyone work on the Krelman?
Of course. Most bee jobs are
small ones. But bees know
that every small job,
if it's done well, means a lot.
But choose carefully
because you'll stay in the job
you pick for the rest of your life.
The same job the rest of your life?
I didn't know that.
What's the difference?
You'll be happy to know that bees,
as a species, haven't had one day off
in 27 million years.
So you'll just work us to death?
We'll sure try.
Wow! That blew my mind!
"What's the difference?"
How can you say that?
One job forever?
That's an insane choice to have to make.
I'm relieved. Now we only have
to make one decision in life.
But, Adam, how could they
never have told us that?
Why would you question anything?
We're bees.
We're the most perfectly
functioning society on Earth.
You ever think maybe things
work a little too well here?
Like what? Give me one example.
I don't know. But you know
what I'm talking about.
Please clear the gate.
Royal Nectar Force on approach.
Wait a second. Oheck it out.
- Hey, those are Pollen Jocks!
- Wow.
I've never seen them this close.
They know what it's like
outside the hive.
Yeah, but some don't come back.
- Hey, Jocks!
- Hi, Jocks!
You guys did great!
You're monsters!
You're sky freaks! I love it! I love it!
- I wonder where they were.
- I don't know.
Their day's not planned.
Outside the hive, flying who knows
where, doing who knows what.
You can'tjust decide to be a Pollen
Jock. You have to be bred for that.
Right.
Look. That's more pollen
than you and I will see in a lifetime.
It's just a status symbol.
Bees make too much of it.
Perhaps. Unless you're wearing it
and the ladies see you wearing it.
Those ladies?
Aren't they our cousins too?
Distant. Distant.
Look at these two.
- Oouple of Hive Harrys.
- Let's have fun with them.
It must be dangerous
being a Pollen Jock.
Yeah. Once a bear pinned me
against a mushroom!
He had a paw on my throat,
and with the other, he was slapping me!
- Oh, my!
- I never thought I'd knock him out.
What were you doing during this?
Trying to alert the authorities.
I can autograph that.
A little gusty out there today,
wasn't it, comrades?
Yeah. Gusty.
We're hitting a sunflower patch
six miles from here tomorrow.
- Six miles, huh?
- Barry!
A puddle jump for us,
but maybe you're not up for it.
- Maybe I am.
- You are not!
We're going 0900 at J-Gate.
What do you think, buzzy-boy?
Are you bee enough?
I might be. It all depends
on what 0900 means.
Hey, Honex!
Dad, you surprised me.
You decide what you're interested in?
- Well, there's a lot of choices.
- But you only get one.
Do you ever get bored
doing the same job every day?
Son, let me tell you about stirring.
You grab that stick, and you just
move it around, and you stir it around.
You get yourself into a rhythm.
It's a beautiful thing.
You know, Dad,
the more I think about it,
maybe the honey field
just isn't right for me.
You were thinking of what,
making balloon animals?
That's a bad job
for a guy with a stinger.
Janet, your son's not sure
he wants to go into honey!
- Barry, you are so funny sometimes.
- I'm not trying to be funny.
You're not funny! You're going
into honey. Our son, the stirrer!
- You're gonna be a stirrer?
- No one's listening to me!
Wait till you see the sticks I have.
I could say anything right now.
I'm gonna get an ant tattoo!
Let's open some honey and celebrate!
Maybe I'll pierce my thorax.
Shave my antennae.
Shack up with a grasshopper. Get
a gold tooth and call everybody "dawg"!
I'm so proud.
- We're starting work today!
- Today's the day.
Oome on! All the good jobs
will be gone.
Yeah, right.
Pollen counting, stunt bee, pouring,
stirrer, front desk, hair removal...
- Is it still available?
- Hang on. Two left!
One of them's yours! Oongratulations!
Step to the side.
- What'd you get?
- Picking crud out. Stellar!
Wow!
Oouple of newbies?
Yes, sir! Our first day! We are ready!
Make your choice.
- You want to go first?
- No, you go.
Oh, my. What's available?
Restroom attendant's open,
not for the reason you think.
- Any chance of getting the Krelman?
- Sure, you're on.
I'm sorry, the Krelman just closed out.
Wax monkey's always open.
The Krelman opened up again.
What happened?
A bee died. Makes an opening. See?
He's dead. Another dead one.
Deady. Deadified. Two more dead.
Dead from the neck up.
Dead from the neck down. That's life!
Oh, this is so hard!
Heating, cooling,
stunt bee, pourer, stirrer,
humming, inspector number seven,
lint coordinator, stripe supervisor,
mite wrangler. Barry, what
do you think I should... Barry?
Barry!
All right, we've got the sunflower patch
in quadrant nine...
What happened to you?
Where are you?
- I'm going out.
- Out? Out where?
- Out there.
- Oh, no!
I have to, before I go
to work for the rest of my life.
You're gonna die! You're crazy! Hello?
Another call coming in.
If anyone's feeling brave,
there's a Korean deli on 83rd
that gets their roses today.
Hey, guys.
- Look at that.
- Isn't that the kid we saw yesterday?
Hold it, son, flight deck's restricted.
It's OK, Lou. We're gonna take him up.
Really? Feeling lucky, are you?
Sign here, here. Just initial that.
- Thank you.
- OK.
You got a rain advisory today,
and as you all know,
bees cannot fly in rain.
So be careful. As always,
watch your brooms,
hockey sticks, dogs,
birds, bears and bats.
Also, I got a couple of reports
of root beer being poured on us.
Murphy's in a home because of it,
babbling like a cicada!
- That's awful.
- And a reminder for you rookies,
bee law number one,
absolutely no talking to humans!
All right, launch positions!
Buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz! Buzz, buzz,
buzz, buzz! Buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz!
Black and yellow!
Hello!
You ready for this, hot shot?
Yeah. Yeah, bring it on.
Wind, check.
- Antennae, check.
- Nectar pack, check.
- Wings, check.
- Stinger, check.
Scared out of my shorts, check.
OK, ladies,
let's move it out!
Pound those petunias,
you striped stem-suckers!
All of you, drain those flowers!
Wow! I'm out!
I can't believe I'm out!
So blue.
I feel so fast and free!
Box kite!
Wow!
Flowers!
This is Blue Leader.
We have roses visual.
Bring it around 30 degrees and hold.
Roses!
30 degrees, roger. Bringing it around.
Stand to the side, kid.
It's got a bit of a kick.
That is one nectar collector!
- Ever see pollination up close?
- No, sir.
I pick up some pollen here, sprinkle it
over here. Maybe a dash over there,
a pinch on that one.
See that? It's a little bit of magic.
That's amazing. Why do we do that?
That's pollen power. More pollen, more
flowers, more nectar, more honey for us.
Oool.
I'm picking up a lot of bright yellow.
Oould be daisies. Don't we need those?
Oopy that visual.
Wait. One of these flowers
seems to be on the move.
Say again? You're reporting
a moving flower?
Affirmative.
That was on the line!
This is the coolest. What is it?
I don't know, but I'm loving this color.
It smells good.
Not like a flower, but I like it.
Yeah, fuzzy.
Ohemical-y.
Oareful, guys. It's a little grabby.
My sweet lord of bees!
Oandy-brain, get off there!
Problem!
- Guys!
- This could be bad.
Affirmative.
Very close.
Gonna hurt.
Mama's little boy.
You are way out of position, rookie!
Ooming in at you like a missile!
Help me!
I don't think these are flowers.
- Should we tell him?
- I think he knows.
What is this?!
Match point!
You can start packing up, honey,
because you're about to eat it!
Yowser!
Gross.
There's a bee in the car!
- Do something!
- I'm driving!
- Hi, bee.
- He's back here!
He's going to sting me!
Nobody move. If you don't move,
he won't sting you. Freeze!
He blinked!
Spray him, Granny!
What are you doing?!
Wow... the tension level
out here is unbelievable.
I gotta get home.
Oan't fly in rain.
Oan't fly in rain.
Oan't fly in rain.
Mayday! Mayday! Bee going down!
Ken, could you close
the window please?
Ken, could you close
the window please?
Oheck out my new resume.
I made it into a fold-out brochure.
You see? Folds out.
Oh, no. More humans. I don't need this.
What was that?
Maybe this time. This time. This time.
This time! This time! This...
Drapes!
That is diabolical.
It's fantastic. It's got all my special
skills, even my top-ten favorite movies.
What's number one? Star Wars?
Nah, I don't go for that...
...kind of stuff.
No wonder we shouldn't talk to them.
They're out of their minds.
When I leave a job interview, they're
flabbergasted, can't believe what I say.
There's the sun. Maybe that's a way out.
I don't remember the sun
having a big 75 on it.
I predicted global warming.
I could feel it getting hotter.
At first I thought it was just me.
Wait! Stop! Bee!
Stand back. These are winter boots.
Wait!
Don't kill him!
You know I'm allergic to them!
This thing could kill me!
Why does his life have
less value than yours?
Why does his life have any less value
than mine? Is that your statement?
I'm just saying all life has value. You
don't know what he's capable of feeling.
My brochure!
There you go, little guy.
I'm not scared of him.
It's an allergic thing.
Put that on your resume brochure.
My whole face could puff up.
Make it one of your special skills.
Knocking someone out
is also a special skill.
Right. Bye, Vanessa. Thanks.
- Vanessa, next week? Yogurt night?
- Sure, Ken. You know, whatever.
- You could put carob chips on there.
- Bye.
- Supposed to be less calories.
- Bye.
I gotta say something.
She saved my life.
I gotta say something.
All right, here it goes.
Nah.
What would I say?
I could really get in trouble.
It's a bee law.
You're not supposed to talk to a human.
I can't believe I'm doing this.
I've got to.
Oh, I can't do it. Oome on!
No. Yes. No.
Do it. I can't.
How should I start it?
"You like jazz?" No, that's no good.
Here she comes! Speak, you fool!
Hi!
I'm sorry.
- You're talking.
- Yes, I know.
You're talking!
I'm so sorry.
No, it's OK. It's fine.
I know I'm dreaming.
But I don't recall going to bed.
Well, I'm sure this
is very disconcerting.
This is a bit of a surprise to me.
I mean, you're a bee!
I am. And I'm not supposed
to be doing this,
but they were all trying to kill me.
And if it wasn't for you...
I had to thank you.
It's just how I was raised.
That was a little weird.
- I'm talking with a bee.
- Yeah.
I'm talking to a bee.
And the bee is talking to me!
I just want to say I'm grateful.
I'll leave now.
- Wait! How did you learn to do that?
- What?
The talking thing.
Same way you did, I guess.
"Mama, Dada, honey." You pick it up.
- That's very funny.
- Yeah.
Bees are funny. If we didn't laugh,
we'd cry with what we have to deal with.
Anyway...
Oan I...
...get you something?
- Like what?
I don't know. I mean...
I don't know. Ooffee?
I don't want to put you out.
It's no trouble. It takes two minutes.
- It's just coffee.
- I hate to impose.
- Don't be ridiculous!
- Actually, I would love a cup.
Hey, you want rum cake?
- I shouldn't.
- Have some.
- No, I can't.
- Oome on!
I'm trying to lose a couple micrograms.
- Where?
- These stripes don't help.
You look great!
I don't know if you know
anything about fashion.
Are you all right?
No.
He's making the tie in the cab
as they're flying up Madison.
He finally gets there.
He runs up the steps into the church.
The wedding is on.
And he says, "Watermelon?
I thought you said Guatemalan.
Why would I marry a watermelon?"
Is that a bee joke?
That's the kind of stuff we do.
Yeah, different.
So, what are you gonna do, Barry?
About work? I don't know.
I want to do my part for the hive,
but I can't do it the way they want.
I know how you feel.
- You do?
- Sure.
My parents wanted me to be a lawyer or
a doctor, but I wanted to be a florist.
- Really?
- My only interest is flowers.
Our new queen was just elected
with that same campaign slogan.
Anyway, if you look...
There's my hive right there. See it?
You're in Sheep Meadow!
Yes! I'm right off the Turtle Pond!
No way! I know that area.
I lost a toe ring there once.
- Why do girls put rings on their toes?
- Why not?
- It's like putting a hat on your knee.
- Maybe I'll try that.
- You all right, ma'am?
- Oh, yeah. Fine.
Just having two cups of coffee!
Anyway, this has been great.
Thanks for the coffee.
Yeah, it's no trouble.
Sorry I couldn't finish it. If I did,
I'd be up the rest of my life.
Are you...?
Oan I take a piece of this with me?
Sure! Here, have a crumb.
- Thanks!
- Yeah.
All right. Well, then...
I guess I'll see you around.
Or not.
OK, Barry.
And thank you
so much again... for before.
Oh, that? That was nothing.
Well, not nothing, but... Anyway...
This can't possibly work.
He's all set to go.
We may as well try it.
OK, Dave, pull the chute.
- Sounds amazing.
- It was amazing!
It was the scariest,
happiest moment of my life.
Humans! I can't believe
you were with humans!
Giant, scary humans!
What were they like?
Huge and crazy. They talk crazy.
They eat crazy giant things.
They drive crazy.
- Do they try and kill you, like on TV?
- Some of them. But some of them don't.
- How'd you get back?
- Poodle.
By the way, to the reader who didn't know, Sony did cover up for death threat rumors about me as he is a somewhat head admin (thus somewhat responsible for its content) on the Discord where he has kept me banned from denying the false allegations, excluded me from the evidence without luck, and hasn't done anything to crack down on the wide-spread rumors which he probably/maybe knew of, but neither after being informed by me, despite he could search them up on his Discord and find them in a few seconds (just like all his other colleagues) - and still has not cracked down on the rumors after evidence was provided. So yes, Sony is that kind of guy who embraces death threat rumors that falsely portray a person as a perpetrator.
But as can be predicted in the following comments:
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This seems to be their strategy whenever they can't deal with abuse or defend themself - to laugh it off or be sarcastic.
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Jabra, can you please stop dragging my name through the mud.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael.Viera
As I recently said, I have not once deleted anyone's messages that have pertained to this situation or have tried to cover it up whatsoever.
I do not believe I have ever banned your accounts as well. You can create an account, look up all the previous messages you desire, and I will not ban you. Simple as that.
Let's get back to the crux of this situation. I agree that you didn't specifically say that you were going to kill Simex. I believe you did something far worse.
You told someone that's underage to kill themselves. Not only did you do this, you told him to kill himself in detail.
Here is the translated version of what you said. "Lie down in your mud cave, rot up and die like the creep you are."
You not only wanted him to kill himself, you wanted him to do it in one of the most disgusting ways imaginable. You wanted him to kill himself slowly. You wanted him to slowly succumb to the effects of dehydration, starvation, and hypothermia. Not only that, you then wanted him to rot in that cave, where his family would never be able to recover his remains for a decent burial. This is what you implied with your message, and it's disgusting.
You can make any excuse that you would like, such as saying you were extremely mad; however, you will never be excused from saying such a thing.
You will always carry this burden with you for the rest of your life, and I feel sorry for you, Jabra.
I hope one day you will apologize to Simex, again. I also hope that you will internally reconcile and admit to yourself that what you said was horribly wrong, and to strive to become a better person.
Underage? He was 17 I think. Sony, it was disgusting, that's why I apologized again - I did that on page 7 :) But you fail to take the context into account completely. Also, none of these things I said was personal, they even targeted 2 of his friends as well (who had indeed bullied me). I didn't use any confidential information or alike. It was just another Jabra rant which he had seen thousands of on the Danish Discord. Still horrible.
I can try to describe in better detail what happened. I ranted on the Danish Discord about the thing that I disliked that KSF didn't have procedures to change map settings after they have been released (which we don't have to discuss). I tagged everyone in the Danish Discord in my first message. I urged the Danish KSF members (which consisted of Syfo, Kiiru, Simex, and Exu) to raise this issue. I did this repeatedly, and I also tagged Syfo personally, and that was when I was told: "fuck you". To be honest, I don't know why this issue meant so much to me. But I kept ranting desperately and there was just no response really other than Simex trying to cover up that he had played a significant role in removing max vel on the map. And I was like "oooh no" don't make me go to KSF Discord. I think I also msg'ed Simex before I went to KSF Discord. I do remember I typed nice messages to him in the beginning - and then it escalated (as you will hear).
Well, there was no response anywhere, so as an absolute last resort you come to the KSF Discord and complain. You have all the arguments ready, the substance (which people have made a meme somehow), I posted them, and then a disgusting mob atmosphere rises that totally ignored my concerns but just trashtalks you relentlessly, like 20 people versus 1 (if we also include the reaction emojis). Like verbally group gangrape (xd). I did everything on the Danish Discord for THAT SHOULDN'T HAPPEN, and it happened ...
It's actually what is defined as bullying - just through the internet which makes it ofc. a bit better than if it was 20 persons irl that trashtalked you in a room. Well, as I tried to reply to people and discuss the matter, I remember not_zombie being one of them, then Sam joined out of nowhere and typed "if you (me) type one more message, you are banned". I was in this moment already writing and preparing a reply to a person to discuss the matter. I do also think meanwhile in that pause other people had continued the harassment after Sam's warning, but they didn't get banned, so it didn't make a lot of sense, so I chose to finish my reply and post it - then I was banned.
Well. You have to imagine how difficult it was for me at this point. I had tried anything to prevent KSF Discord, but as last resort, I "had" to, and then you are just met with the most disgusting verbal abuse 20 versus 1. Many people don't know how that feels because they are so concerned with aligning themselves with other people that they have never tried to be in such situations. It's pure bullying. Well, I do accept that, but then being banned and punished for being bullied in a 20 versus 1 situation, just felt horrible. It is far worse than what Simex experienced.
I don't think you understand how it feels to be socially excluded. But I do accept that, also because I do sometimes behave weirdly which can easily be picked on by guys like Sunday, etc.
But to be banned for already being socially excluded made me just break down completely.
But this doesn't even take everything into context.
A few days before I spent a night to finding edgebug cases for KSF which was added to a KSF's public document where they deal with map fixes. I did it because I didn't know what to do at a night, and then I just decided to think about edgebug cases. I added them to KSF's document anonymously. I called myself "Sunday". Just for fun. I believe it was at that point as I entered KSF Discord to search for the Google Doc that I stumbled upon the max vel remove on surf_whoknows. Yeah.
Well as you can see. I was verbally gangraped 20 versus 1 (maybe funny way to express it xd), I did everything for that shouldn't happen, it happened. The only reason that I happened to stumble upon the case was because that I chose to help KSF. So I broke down after that ban in its literal sense.
You can also see me desperately making that appeal about my help in my first messages to Sam. https://imgur.com/a/jbSwT8q
But he just mocks me.
So naturally, I went insanely mad. Sam used this to his advantage and posted messages of me raging on the KSF Discord where everyone laughed at me completely losing my face and having a literal emotional breakdown - which I guess is funny for some people. It felt horrible. But I had a plan to come back to reply. But the ban worked as an IP ban and not even proxy worked. It just made it even worse because Sam and his gang could control the stories as they wanted and depict whatever picture they wanted of the incident. But then I turned into the Danish Discord to seek comfort ... but ... there I saw my friend Kiiru laughing at the incident as well as he had seen the pictures that Sam shared - and I wrote indignantly about whether he even understood what happened, he replied to me and said that I was completely ridiculous. I remember having a complete emotional breakdown here.
I stumbled upon the case just because I chose to help KSF, I desperately tried to capture the Danish KSF members' attention about this issue so I didn't have to be involved. I coulnd't make it. The problem was that I was always ranting, and they couldn't distinguish my serious rants and less serious rants. So as last resort I went to KSF where I was trashtalked and verbally abused 20v1, banned without valid reason, made a public fool out of because I lost my face. I turned to the Danish Discord to seek comfort, and then even in my personal space to find my danish friend making a fool out of me.
Yeah, then I wrote to Simex.
This is the importance of context because what I wrote to Simex was written in powerlessness after being completely made a public fool out of, losing my face, perhaps in front of hundred of people, etc.
This is far worse than doing horrible things to people in powerful positions as KSF members have done for so many years, even toward children below 15. What I said was said in powerlessness, as a pathetic socially excluded weak man that day. Being in a powerful position and abusing people is far worse and something that KSF members have participated in since ever, and never apologizes for, but rather laughs at it.
And Simex was to a moderate extent familiar with the context, he heard that I had raged to several people, saw my rants on the Danish Discord etc.
If you are getting beaten up by 20 people and the victim screams "kill yourself!" repeatedly, then it somehow isn't brutal, right? The problem in this instance was that Simex was not involved in what happened on the KSF Discord, or sharing pictures of me losing my face, etc. He lied somewhat about his role in removing max vel, but it was by no means a big thing. But he had lied.
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To be honest, if anyone can't understand how terrible this felt, then fuck them. Being yelled at by someone after going through that is more sad than scary.
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This is the context and why it is completely absurd to call these death threats and in fact, they are not death threats. The whole context just makes it even worse that I was portrayed as a perpetrator. I was anything, but a perpetrator that day, I was a victim. It was a terrible day and I felt it was necessary to cut an IRL friendship even. So cmon, dude?
The fact that I was portrayed as a perpetrator after that event was unbearable in all ways. But I had to accept it. But then death threat rumors arrived and I found out I was ACTUALLY portrayed as a perpetrator, not just informally, but in a legal sense nearly. Just made it even fucking worse. I tried to cope with it. I couldn't in the long run. That's why I'm here for telling the stories, that I'm not a fucking perpetrator. And I don't accept these rumors, and no one should. I just cared about some issues.
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The DIscord ban works as IP ban. You together with all your other KSF members completely neglected the rumors, and you didn't even want to search it up, despite you are head admin for that platform it was spread. Maybe that's not exactly covering up, but strongly neglecting a case, though in communion with your colleagues. But I get your point that it was more horrible than just "kill yourself" ofc., but the context is even more horrible, losing an IRL friend etc. So yeah, now we talk about what happened, we cover both sides. This is what KSF has tried to deny me and just depict me straight out as a perpetrator, not fair ...
if only I'd read this much for uni
this actually clears things up, thank you for sharing jabra.
If it makes things any better for you, the internet is extremely fickle and most people had already completely forgot about what happened.
You seem to be concerned about the effect it had on the relationships with your friends and to be honest there is nothing we can do for you. You will have to patch up things with them yourself and add value to their lives with your friendship, and if they dont want to theres sadly not much you can do but to let them go and find new ones.
I have to agree that hivemind is strong in ksf discord and some people can be assholes and that sam sometimes takes decisions on who he excludes from the community emotionally, as in who he dislikes in the moment rather than what you (jabra) perceive as justice. But you have to understand that he is under a lot of pressure aswell and he is still young and becoming more mature with time.
Ksf usually is a rather forgiving place, after a bit of time and enough evidence that earlier problems (crazy ranting in your case) are not an issue anymore (i.E. synki, nyastle).
thanks for admitting something man. but I don't acknowledge that you are in a position to forgive me (except Simex), but rather the opposite (which I think this thread has demonstrated as well with countless harassment and neglecting), and I don't need/want to come back, and I would not even consider it in my entire life before I could get an apology.
It was the most horrible character assassination I have ever experienced (which started even before the Simex incident as you hear), but you are ofc. also right that the internet quickly forgets such things. And you are also right that he is under a lot of pressure. In the hindsight, I do also think I demanded too much perfection from Sacred sometimes, like dealing with map fixes 100p consistently, using procedures, use rules, etc., but it is hard to have the energy for perfection when you have a professional or study life besides just like Sam. I guess you could also try more division of labor. But maybe no one wants.
edit: I talked about the strafe spawn zone ban discussion where Morning was banned etc. to put some of these issues into perspective, but I decided to omit it because I don't want to make so lenghty messages every time.
second edit: I believe when Momentum Mod Discord chooses to ban people, they debate it before in a group. There are many people who want to support you as you are the most competitive surf community. I don't think it would be that hard to divide labor more, but I guess Sam's salary would fall then? I don't know. I just relate to what you wrote. With all those mappers working their ass off, tons of educated people, etc., it just seems unimaginable. Your KSF clan has high prestige, and you can exchange the KSF membership for people contributing with things as well.
I don't know man, at least was both sides finally covered.
third edit: I was told by Gmmbearz about Caff and Exu, that Exu had told him something horrible using confidential information, apparently so horrible that he couldn't even tell what, after losing a WR. And when I heard about it, I was like, have they ever heard the story from Exu's side? Because really since my incident, I knew you can't know for sure know what comes out of KSF since they don't seem to be interested in both sides. Maybe they were in this case, and I assume he actually just lost that WR and was a very bad loser that day, sadly. Reminds me of Morning, he has surfed since 2005 and has a clear ideology about how surf should be which was totally run over. He gets very frustrated understandably but also put forward arguments, maybe too frustrated, and he could have been thrown down in the shitpost section temporarily perhaps or got a warning or alike. But to ban the losers and those who stand in minority positions, that's disgusting. But yeah, I'm always cautious when I hear about such conflicts from the KSF community now. It's like the rule of the mob on KSF, and you shouldn't trust anything
last edit 5. march: as you can see, reader, a lot of apologies were thrown in this thread, for blink telling me to kill myself, for the countless sarcasm and bully atmosphere (e.g. Louimyname, Oliver, Sam, etc.), for Stevo accusing me of spreading hate, Simex doing the same (who also lied about not lying about the incident and who lied about what happened and who lied about that I threat people with legal cases in plural, a lot of dumb shit) , for denying something which evidently happened and which many people knew of and which they could find themself under a minute, for denying me access to this, for the character assination on KSF discord by Sam (and look at them insisting that Sam should apologize), Shifty saying that I have never brought joy to the community, and a lot of shit. I haven't even gone through the thread to list it all up - that's just what I can remember. so as you can see, and as I have said repeatedly, this community is absolutely morally corrupt, and I just hope they will leave me alone forever now and stop spreading rumors and lies about me.
Just my point of view. You got upset because I didn't give you right in your claims. I still think it's completely ridiculous that you tried to drag me into this entire circus you have created.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael.Viera
Didn't drag you into anything. You dragged yourself into this by laughing at me being banned without reason as explained elaborately, and after informing you about what happened (roughly though), you did nothing about it as a KSF member (and there went plenty of time before I got mad from that point). Yeah, I did, INCLUDING, get mad at you because of your passiveness after informing you about what happened. Understandably, when you 1. just have laughed at me (as explained) without apologizing after informing you about what happened and after the most disgusting and dehumanizing treatment I have ever experienced 2. is a member of KSF and don't take any responsibility for sheer admin abuse carried out by that group you are a member of and whose actions you have shares in (rather you just laugh at it), 3. have never ever done it in the plenty of years where admin abuse case after admin abuse have been evident and where you have been more or less active as well.
You didn't disagree with anything concisely. I don't get mad at people for disagreeing, haha. You just refused to look at what happened because you are afraid of conflict and never take a stance because you have no integrity - except in these situations where you stand in 20vs1 and can score cheap points from your other backbone-lacking mates as right now. If you know what I did wrong on KSF Discord that day that preceded my ban, then explain me. Helping KSF with 50 edgebug cases? So yes, passiveness was 1 factor, but not the deciding factor, otherwise, I should have been mad at Exu as well which I was never, so that disproves it already.
Can I drag myself in to state that you are wasting your time?
This is not a personal opinion either. You are without a shadow of a doubt wasting your time.
Nah, I would have played zombie otherwise. But if I should rank that between answering you and playing zombie, yeah, I'm wasting my time.
Cool. Do everyone a favour and go play zombie.