SurfTimer Reworking

Got the math for the ranks basically finalized.

There will be a point system and points will be awarded as follows:

You will get points for completing checkpoints and the map itself. The amount of points you get all together will be based on the difficulty of the map. For a linear map you will get 50 points for completing a map with the hardest difficulty (level 5). For a staged map with the same difficulty, those points will be distributed throughout the checkpoints and the actual completion of the map. However the total amount for a staged map of that difficulty will be slightly less because it is easier to accumulate points (you don't have to beat the whole map at once to get points, you get points per checkpoint as you go along). Note: The amount of points for a staged map of the same difficulty will be greater than points for a linear map past stage 9 due to the parabolic formula. This will not be a problem because most maps don't 9 stages anyway.

You will also get points for holding a record. It is based on the your rank (1 to 10), the difficulty of the map and the total amount of ranked players for that map. (The amount of points received for a record will be around the number of total points you can get from the map.)

I'm not going to post the formulas for the calculations but I think the way points are awarded is fair. Basically the most rewarding records will be on the hardest maps, with many ranked players and obviously rank 1 will give give the most points.

Easy maps (level 1) with many ranked players will not give as many points as lets say level 5 with the same amount of ranked players simply because the surf timer encourages SKILL as well as speed. if you are speedy on easy maps, you also have to be speedy on hard maps to be the top ranked surfer.

Bonuses will also award points based on difficulty, but you will not get extra points for being top10 in a bonus.

So hopefully this point system will work out well. I guess we'll just have to see once everything is up and running.

sounds good:)

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/6899/graphlvl1.png
This is the distribution of points for Level 1 maps (easiest) based on your rank. (The amount of points for being ranked increases with map difficulty.) These are addition points given for record holders on top of the ~10 points you can receive for completing such a map.

The X axis is your rank (goes up to 10), the Y axis in the points you will receive and each set of points is the amount of total ranked players there are for this map.

As you can see the gap for point distribution is the greatest between ranks 1 and 2. This gap increases as the total amount of players ranked increases. There is more competition thus I think ranked 1 player should get much more points.

The total difference between rank 1 and 10 is about 2x the amount of points. The formula became kind of funky while i was trying to get that to work. I wish i payed attention more in calculus =/

Anyway, the basic structure is 1/x graph. Does anyone have any suggestions for a better point distribution.

well nice thoughts, but just a theoretical thought here: when lets say 400 ppl (just any high number) are ranked on a map like akai and 1 or 2 are ranked on legendary...those on rank 1 and 2 on akai get more points than those on akai? i wouldnt like that...


i like how the points are spread over the ranks (for one particular map)

Well since we can't beat legendary lets pick a hypothetical map that is level 5 difficulty.

Rank 1 and 2 on akia (level 1) with 400 people ranked will get 44 and 35 points respectively.

Rank 1 and 2 on (level 5 map) with 5 people ranked will get 37 and 29 points respectively.

But remember, by beating a map with level 5 difficulty you will receive ~50 points, plus 37 on top for being ranked 1. Total points : 87

A level 1 map will give you ~10 points and rank 1 with 400 people will give you 44 points. Total : 54 points

so points for ranks will be about the same, but total points will have a large difference only because one map is very hard and the other is very easy.

"those on rank 1 and 2 on akai get more points than those on akai? i wouldnt like that..." which wouldn't you like?

amazing, i cant wait to see it come into action. This will increase our server's player base TENFOLD :geek:

""those on rank 1 and 2 on akai get more points than those on akai? i wouldnt like that..." which wouldn't you like?"
theres a mistake:D it should been legendary instead of the second akai^^

well i forgot those poitns for beating the map, thats allright for me then. so rank points depending on competition and completing points depending on skill, thats smart. since i dont know your formulas: is there no way a level 1 rank 1 (rankpoints + completingpoints) gives more points than a level 5 rank 1?

some other things:
1)if u beat the record u get thos ~40 poitns or whatever, so if some1 else beats it u lose them again right?
2)do u get those completing-points every time u beat the map or just when u beat it the first time? if u get them everytime there should be a huge difference between a easy map/level and a logn skill map ( i mean i would rather surf fruits a 100 times than legendary or whatever 1 time to go up in rank: my fear is that if those easy maps give to much points we have even more noobmaps on the server than we already have (and that is already to much))

"is there no way a level 1 rank 1 (rankpoints + completingpoints) gives more points than a level 5 rank 1? "

The points received for those two scenarios I posted above are as close as they are going to get. 87 to 54. These reward points are on one side of the extreme. The other side is very little ranked for lvl1 which will yield ~25 points total for everything and many people ranked for lvl 5 which will yield ~200+ points.


1) Yes you will get bumped down and your points will get lowered if someone else gets a higher record and points will increase as more people become ranked over time
2) points will get awarded only for the first time you beat the map/checkpoint/bonus

allright than no further suggestion/complaints/questions:) looking forward to it being in action. nice work:)

penis.

This is amazing! I cant come up with anything to add, seems flawless to me! :)

Just one concern, say you finish first on a map and get the maximum number of points available, but then your time is beaten. Will you lose points since its no longer the number 1 time? Will everyone in the top lose points since they all moved down a level? This could potentially fuck people over and screw up the system it isn't addressed in some way, though I'm sure you have thought this through. Just making sure :P

Yeah don't worry. Everyone will get bumped down a rank and those that reach rank 11 will loose all of their points that they received from being in top 10.

One of the things that I do have to consider that is gay is that if someones time gets removed through admin plugin then I have to increase players points etc etc. So many little things to consider because of such a dynamic ranking system. You can't even imagine how many other things similar to that I had to consider regarding other aspects of the timer.

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if someones time gets removed through admin plugin [....]

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hopefully, this wouldnt be necessary!
btw: mindblowing.

For the problem with times potentially being removed, you could just make it so if a time is removed, that person automatically loses like 100 points, because obviously something about it was cheated, and that could be the punishment. Might work better on a case to case basis actually though.

Also, the !toggletimer command is nice and I assume you will keep it in some form. What is the possibility of having something where you can toggle the timer on someone you are spectating. Its kind of a nice feature on, and it makes it interesting if you are watching someone making a run for the record.

Time removal through admin plugin is not mainly there to remove cheaters lol. Its for convenience because accidents do happen and so on.

I have given some thought to the spectator hud timer. So far its at the bottom of my list of things to do so I may add it.

So far guys you haven't really suggested anything I havnet thought of yet but I appreciate it anyway. We need more people active so they can post their input, not simply "its great blahblah". You spectater hud timer was in the right direction but we need more ideas flowing because after all this is your surf timer. I'm not doing this for me and once its fanilized, good luck getting me to change anything.

Ohhhh one feature that would be nice is something like the !maplevels command, but it would not only tell you how many levels there are, but what tier difficulty, and how many points you will get for beating it. Another thing that would be cool but probably hard to do would be that if you typed rank or whatever, it would tell you your rank, and how many points you need to to pass the next person, so you wont have to type rank and then top. Also how many points the person behind you has would be cool. Though I dont think that if this is done top should be disabled or anything like that.

i got 1 quick question


even though you wont get points for top10 bonus, will there be a top10 for bonuses like a command to see the top times for the bonus

Daniel, ill implement some of the things you mentioned.

Yes there will be a top 10 command for bonuses. However since I don't want to give points for top10 ranked players in bonuses, is there something that we can do with the bonus ranks so its not just there as a useless piece of info. It seems that's what its turning out to do.


Also I may include 100% completion. Like x amount of maps out of total, x amount of bonuses out of total to add up to 100% so you can see your percent completion. Again this is probably gonna be useless so I don't want to add something useless.

Oh and I don't want to give points for top10 bonuses because we already have that for map completion. Don't need it to be more complicated)

Im not sure if this was said previously (tl;dr), but it would be cool if there was an achievement list of maps "completed". Its a nice nifty way to keep track of your maps you have done, and the ones you havent yet beaten. Achievement points like the xbox 360? that would be sort of cool.

We already have ranks, don't need more achievement stuff lol.


But there will probably be a menu which shows which maps you have completed and the times u got and if you havnt completed them, what stage you got to.

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Also I may include 100% completion. Like x amount of maps out of total, x amount of bonuses out of total to add up to 100% so you can see your percent completion.

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This seems like a great addition to me i would love to be able to see how close i really am to completing all the surf maps/bonuses, however updating this when new maps were added may become a problem

Well the fucking timer lags the server pretty badly. I never say this but fuck my life. Put so many hours into that thing and gonna have to do some serious optimization whcih will include scrapping some major parts.

FUCK

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FUCK

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Eric if you have nothing useful to post, please keep off this thread, spam is not needed.

For those who read this and are interested in the progress.

I figured another way to make this timer both more accurate and lagless. Though adding new maps will be done ONLY by me and no one else because no one would be able to.

So this is a good thing and a bad thing. the good thing is that I know how to add the zones properly because i wrote the damned thing. The bad thing is that it will take a LOOOONG time for me to do it, because i'm doing this by my self.

Future map additions will also require me to be active in css so whats going to happen is if i take a break again, you will all be without a timer for the time i'm gone. Better than nothing I think.